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scotchydoodle

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peerless restoration/modification


Hi folks, I'm looking to restore a peerless or warwick in the next couple of years.  I'm moving to scotland next year, to a house with a big garage.  High on the to-do list will be to find a peerless to restore/rebuild to my spec.  I would like to know current owners views on engine modifications/ swaps.  My last triumph was a modified TR6 (tripple webbers etc) and that sort of performance was what I would like from my peerless.  I didn't want to go down the triumph six route, neither do I want to fit a modern engine.  I was thinking of a dolomite sprint motor or lotus2.2, I'm aiming for a reliable 200hp.  Obviously, I understand that there aren't may of these cars left in the world, and while I'm not shy of modifing classic cars, I would never mutilate a good, original or rare car.  I want an original looking car with the extra performance (and noise) of a sports gt.  My friends and I make the pilgrimage to Le mans every year and it would be great to do 2008 in a hot peerless.


Any views, opinions or suggestions are gladly welcome.  I understand, many enthusiasts don't like the idea of non-standard classic cars and their views are also sought on the subject.


thanks, Paul Phillips.



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Frank

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Here's a brave man.


If the block that you choose is much longer than about 24 inches
then some other vital component like the pedals or the steering
will have to move.  This is why there are no 6-cyl Peerlesses.


If the block and the associated exhausts are wider than 24 inches
then it won't fit either.  You can just get a Buick 215 or RV8
in there, but only if you can manage without oil and air
filters.  Genuine Buick cast exhausts are 24 inches across.
Even Buick and Triumph engines are very close to the bonnet
so downdraught carbs will poke out.


The spaceframe is not triangulated, and flexes in use, high
stress points are prone to cracking. The body adds nothing
to the overall strength.  Just how brave are you?


Substantial modification of the chassis to overcome these problems
will probably get you a Q reg and a huge phone bill when you try
to find insurance.  Some members of the register may not welcome
you, I was getting gyp for having telescopic rear shocks.


A mildly tuned TR will give you a 9 sec 0-60, 110+, and all the
noise, heat and smells that you can handle.  You also get a manic
grin, and not much with 2 litres will get away from you.  Bits
are cheap and available on mail order from several suppliers.
OK, it's not as fast as a Westie, but I hear that it sometimes
rains in Scotland.


Before you commit to hacking one about, try one.


FF



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scotchydoodle

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Thanks Frank, thats the sort of input I was looking for.  I'm all for tuning the triumph 4 but I've heard some (a lot) real horror stories of broken cranks on modified TR3s&4s and I remember the cost of rebuilding my six.  I will try out a standard peerless before buying if I can but I thought I'd put the feelers out first before deciding on what state of car to buy ( as there are so many available).  I've only seen one peerless in the flesh before and that was at the autosport show at the NEC a couple of years ago, so I don't know much about the other cars in the register.


thanks for your advice, Paul.



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nigel c

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Hi Paul,


Interesting, i go down to France, Cornwall, devon, Lake District use for work all over the place and it suits me..I get the kids in the back, ballast in the front...whooops... and stuff in the boot.


I guess I'm an old git.


i run a track day a Curbourgh once a year and have been shaving a second off each year.


I get 32 mph @ 80+, went to Goodwood this morning in two and quater hours from Worcestershire.


Just thought of some thing....FRANK what's this telescopic damper business?? black ball in the post!


You need to try one or go get something with more under bonnet space, as Frank says there tight.


I'm all for mods that help keep the cars usable in modern trafic.


well guys what do you think..should we talk to him or hang him out to dry?



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Frank

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I'll admit the TR3 has a reputation for broken cranks.


However, if it's carefully put together with a lightened flywheel, harmonic crank damper and a full balance it should be OK.  There's so much torque there's no point revving it above 5000, the factory used to use 5500, and 4200 in OD top is a ton.  Even on SU's you should be able to get 125BHP, and in 940Kg that's well quick.  For comparison a Golf GTI turbo has 150BHP in 1500Kg.


A pukka fast road TR engine should set you back around £2500, or less if you can build it yourself.  If you want to go that way, a 200BHP Ford duratec or Vauxhall 16V will cost you around 6K, but the resulting car would probably be worth 4K less than one with the original lump in it, and you'd still have all the aggro with engineers reports, insurance and possibly SVA/Q reg.


If you want to take one in 2008, you'd better get started soon.


F



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scotchydoodle

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Thanks guys, I think you've convinced me.  I apart from this website and the TR register, is there anywhere you'd recommend looking for a project car or even a good one.  Ebay occasionaly throws one into the pot, but aside frfom that I'm stuck.  Do the members of the peerless register meet anywhere apart from shows, runs etc?



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Celia and Ian

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Hi Paul,


     Give us a ring or look at our website www.imadeuk.co.uk  I agree with Nigel, we race our unmodified TR3A engined Peerless at top revs and full torque with no probs, but give us a look. 01440786869. 



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Erik

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Hi Paul,


I bought my Phase 1 back in 1996 without driving it, because it wasn't roadworthy.


That same year, while on holydays in Kent, Alan House took me and my wife for a ride in his red Phase 2.


I immediately knew the Peerless was the car for me.


I am now restoring my car, which will take another couple of years, so i still haven't driven it. 


But last year Frank let me drive his blue monster to the TR-International in Malvern after he arranged insurance for me.


I've driven the car for about 200 miles, and i have enjoyed every mile of it.


Ok, it was a bit hot inside, but it was a hot weekend.


When i think back, i still get a big smile on my face.


Even more when i think of Frank showing me some "slow roads" on which he showed me what this car can do. (thanks Frank!)


Good acceleration, fast cornering, good braking (servo assisted), virtually no body roll, and easy to control when the back was stepping out.


If you want to give it some more "safe" power you can try to locate a Judson supercharger kit, which where supplied back in the sixties.


These kit where "bolt-on", specially designed for the Tr 4 cylinder engines.


It is said that it doesn't require any engine mods, but gives quite a bit more torque and horse power. (i don't have specs for that)


Pity these kits are hard to find, and costly.


Sometimes one of these kits is offered on Ebay.


If you would like some pictures of a Judson kit, please let me know.


Kind regards,


Erik



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scotchydoodle

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Thanks Erik, superchargering sounds good to me!!  need to find a car first.


paul



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