The Peerless & Warwick Discussion Forum

Date: Oct 9, 2012

WIndow regulator video

Date: Oct 9, 2012

Thanks, Gary! That is very useful. I hope to soon replace the Bright Regulators in my doors, as they are so worn the glass drops an inch when in the 'up' position.

dave

Date: Oct 12, 2012

hey Gary is that a blue meanie or pappa smurf helping you with your window regulators?

just (yea, yea, after 13 years of driving my car) looking at trying to restore mine so this will all help!

keep it up Gary...............

Date: Oct 15, 2012

Ha, ha. Pappa Smurf, like it.

Still looking at the possibility of remaking the bracketry in aluminium, rather than repair the frilly steel on mine.

All the best,

Gary

Date: Oct 16, 2012

Ali won't cut it Gary, unless you make it 6mm thick in T6 alloy or something.

There's just too much torque in the fittings, especially when the felt in the
U section gets wet and swells or the window doesn't go up "square".

And a very brave chassis resto on the landie mate! Still enjoy the mag.

Frank from Felixstowe

Date: Oct 16, 2012

yea I was thinkin ali as well but good point Frank it under a lot of strain. I'll drop my one frilly one in at my local fabricators and see what they think costwise.

Date: Oct 17, 2012

Thanks Frank. Good to hear from you.

I agree the ali would need be thick and T6 preferably. I'm still working on a design for hanging the doors on improved 'L' shape brackets, and reducing the stress the doors take with the regulator and glass.

Got there with the Landy. Back on four wheels and running again, but still plenty to do. No change there then.

Really cracking on with Peerless electrics now.

All the best

Gary

Date: Oct 18, 2012

Gary - i think that Dean used modified MGB hinges, if I remember correctly.

dave

Date: Oct 18, 2012

Moderator! DaveC swore. He said MGB... biggrin

Date: Oct 18, 2012

OK, I've watched several re-runs of
Papa smurf opening the window Gangnam style.
(You have to imagine the music)

However if this is to work in a Peerless, you
have to find a way to mount the 9" Vice
inside the door aperture. The mechainsm
generates bags of torque and I found that
the (Phase 2) arrangements of upper and lower
mounting plates struggled to cope.
(its an action-reaction thing)

In the end I mounted the window winder on a
single sheet of 16G steel (that's 1.6mm)
that was held by the door hinge bolts.

This sounds like overkill, even by Peerless
standards, but seemed to work, even when desperate
(Think passenger window, French toll-booth,
Le-Mans traffic and raining frogs and newts)

I'll have a look at the weekend, but I think
the photos went to Richard Craig, with the car.

If you want blisfully smooth Phase 1 door hinges,
you have to look at Pete Hudpspith's PH1. I
don't know how he did it, but it beats a VW Golf.

F from F

Joe Sp · Status: Offline

Has anyone succesfully rebuilt the regulator, I have one NOS regulator to fit and plan to try and refurb the other.

It looks like it has a big spring inside the regulator unit - will it explode if I diamantle it?!

Gary S · Status: Offline

Hello Joe,

if the mechanism is moving then I wouldn't recommend dismantling it.

I kept on flushing mine with plenty of parts washer fluid and penetrating fluid to flush out the crud. Diesel or white spirit should work, too.

It eventually freed up nicely. I did consider dismantling but was loathe to reassemble the coiled spring if it could be avoided. I concluded it wouldn't come apart without some hefty manhandling and I didn't want to risk the casing cracking.

All the best,

Gary

Date: Nov 10, 2012

Woose!

This is the Peerless wrecking gang. Dismantle it, it's not a problem.

The bit that will most likely break is the "ears" on the thinner (square) spring, and it's usually because it's corroded.
So "forcing" the mechanism if it's frozen solid from corrosion, or rust, or lack of lube puts extra strain on this area.
Soaking it in diesel will help it to come apart without a problem, and a good handful of grease on re-asembly
will help the operation. Don't use the black CV joint grease, or the window will creep down in service.

It's the friction of the square brake spring against the ally housing that holds the window in position, and the tension in the
flat tape wind-up spring that compensates for the weight of the glass. The only bit of the housing that usually breaks are
the flanges that bolt to the doors.

The units can be assembled LHS and RHS by reversing the flat tape wind-up spring.

If you have broken a spring I have a very limited quantity of spares. (but don't tell anyone!)

F

Date: Nov 11, 2012

Frank said you can hit it with a big hammer but you might have to buy his springs. See what he did there, Joe.

Joe Sp · Status: Offline

Hi Frank and Gary

Thanks for the encouragement!

After 48 hours soaking it was still jammed solid so rather than forcing it I have just dismantled the regulator. The springs are fine, it is the back plate that is the problem - it has dissintegrated!

Date: Nov 12, 2012

Joe: I have a spare backplate.

Send me your postal address to

fwright81

@

ymail

.com

Joe Sp · Status: Offline

That is very kind Frank. Email sent.

Date: Nov 13, 2012

Jo:

Looking at the pile of bits here, the clue is the square "washer" in the picture.

What seems to have happened is that the centre of the backplate has worn it's
square hole, probably from forcing an unlubricated mechanism, or a jammed
window glass. Is the brass frame out of true, and does the glass slide easily?

Anyway the local repair was to fix a square washer to the backplate and
re-instate the square hole. And the two fixing holes stressed the backplate
beyond it's (weakened) capacity.

So before you fit the replacement backplate that's in the post to you, check
that the window moves freely.

For those with the same problem, backplates are as rare as chicken lips!

To do the repair properly, form a 4mm x 20mm steel strip into a square insert that fits
tightly over the square shaft of the drive pin. Open out the damaged hole in the
backplate to a square so that the little square insert you just made just fits inside it.
Fettle till the bits fit nice and tight and then gloo the new insert in the backplate
with a bit of araldite.

I've been trying to post a Flickr picture but it doesn't want to play.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/wgt-15/8180003428/in/photostream

Frank

Joe Sp · Status: Offline

Hi Frank

Thank you, the plate arrived safely. You are right, the square plate is the remains of a bodge by the look of things. I have completed a trial assembly and it all works perfectly.

What is the best grease to use in the mechanism?

Regards

Joe

nigel c · Status: Offline

so its taken nearly 20 years but I'm really thinking about fitting wind up windows! yea yea I know, I've had a lot on.

So I have these sad looking pieces picked up from auto jumbles and the like.

they do move but seem to have a lot of play....any ideas as this is probably the only corner on a P&W I have not dug into yet....and I can see why!

DSC_2636 (Large).JPG DSC_2637 (Large).JPG

As you can see there seems to be a lot of room left and right of the central plate?

No pressure guys but I have mentioned to the present Mrs Cluley that this area will be functional for a holiday....in 5 weeks time!

Frank · Status: Offline

Can't see the ends of the brake spring poking out. That could be why there's free play.
Also, the Peerless actuator arm is lengthened to put the pivot into the C of G of the pane.
I have some spare bits if you are stuck!

F

nigel c · Status: Offline

thanks Frank, perhaps you could email me with the bits that you have surplus and what you want for them? hope things have settled down your end now.

this is pic of the complete thang

DSC_2638 (Large).JPG

DaveC · Status: Offline

With the re-birth of this thread, and after comments from Dean last week at a show about window winders, my mind went back to winders in #118. A quick google found this document, that's a good read and resource.

au.rrforums.net/forum/messages/16999/5-12_Praeclarum_6177-6180-23860.pdf

Oh, and Nige - your patent-pending wooden-peg window fastener is the thing of legend. Shame it'll be going.

dave