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Wellwood Auto Restoration, Inc

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Hi All. Does anyone have a modern part # for the differential front pinion seal or availability?? I have matched a seal by dimensions but don't like the design so am seeking input from the knowledgeable.

Cheers, Dave

Ventura, CA

(former owner of #213 and soon to undetake the massive body rebuild when Dean completes the chassis and running gear!)



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DaveC #118

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Dave - what part did you use in the end?   I have a leak at the front of the diff

BTW - does anyone know the exact providence of the diff?   I found the details of the foundry in Derby that used to make the casings, but are they really the same as used in dumper trucks?

 

dave



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Dean #213 and Warwick #?

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I juist picked up a new seal for the leaky Warwick pinion.  It is an SFK 15788 which cross references to a National 5778, that was referenced in the Warwick paperwork vis a Salisbury 3HA (u) which is common to the Morgan 4.   Art in Anaheim with #168 helped run it down. 

This seems to be a common seal for host of cars.  Here is a sample.  Not sure what seals are needed for the axles yet, but I'll let you know how the pinion seal works out.   Anything has to be better than the one in there now...

Dean

JAGUAR
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1967
 
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1967
 
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1958
 
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1959
 
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Anonymous

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Thanks, Dean.   Interesting.   I just took delivery of an SKF 14774, which is the item DaveW got for the rear seal in your diff.   It's a CR 38x80x8 CRW1 R spec, and i got it from Allied Tech in Ventura.  I got two, just in case....  It is interesting that the Warwick paperwork had that spec, as i've found nothing under Peerless, and though the Morgan 4 and othesrs used the HA3, i wasn't sure on teh seal because they use a different casing.

I was hoping to change mine this weekend, but given other things i probably won't have time.  Vacation, work, work, kids and work etc.   (I actually have a plan to fix that imbalance, but that's a different thread...)

dave



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DaveC #118

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Arrgghh.   this "anonymous" thing!  I forgot to change it.

I posted above.  argh.

dave



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Dean #213 and Warwick #?

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Seal installed in the Warwick and it appears to be holding back the flood. 

Now if I can just figure out what the source was for the 4 hole rubber u-joint donut.... I'll take a picture and start a new thread. 

Dean



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DaveC #118

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In anticipation of the new thread, is it a giubo connection?  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giubo

dave



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Frank

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Rubber coupling?  You need to be here....

http://www.myren.com/butik/prod/trans/open_trans/axelkopp/pin-bush_coup/BN130_-_Layrub.pdf



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Dean #213 and Warwick #?

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Frank wrote:

Rubber coupling?  You need to be here....

http://www.myren.com/butik/prod/trans/open_trans/axelkopp/pin-bush_coup/BN130_-_Layrub.pdf

Wow Frank.  Thank you.  This is exactly what I was looking for! 

I thought this part was unique to the Warwick as my Phase 1 Peerless does not use one.  It had a sliding drive shaft.  I recently saw a photo of another Peerless with the same Layrub joint.  Is it used on the Peerless?

Dean



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Frank

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Dean:

I have had both Peerless and Warwicks and as far as I know they all have this Layrub joint.

It needs to be "unstressed" when installed, or it will rapidly fall apart.  Usually this goes
wrong when substantial bits of the chassis have been replaced, the driveline length
comes out a mite short/long.

I have heard of at least one car that has a sliding propshaft to overcome this problemette.

Yes, there are some spares around in the UK from builders dump trucks.

F



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Dean #213 and Warwick #?

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The good part...

I contacted Twiflex and I believe the part number needed is LA21003. They were very helpful.

It is not listed in the pdf catalog.  They show part numbers LA21002 and then skip to LA21004...

Now the ugly part.  I am not sure how much this will cost, but I am having to purchase it through a US distributor that sells heavy machinery parts to a well funded industrial base.  His first quote was $600 plus...  said there were markups.  I said he needed to put the part in the palm of his hands and then tell me it is worth $600.  He is going to call me back.  I might need a UK friend to buy it directly from Twiflex and toss it in a box, or I'll try to swing it when we head to Goodwood next year. 



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DaveC

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Dean - I'll be popping back to London soon I'm sure, and for Xmas at the very latest. I often stay with a buddy in Teddington, right next to Twickenham where that company is based. So I'd be happy to pick one up, or go check it out first. On the presence of the layrub or not, this might be a phase 1 vs 2 matter? I was surprised to see that Franks's P2 has rear bumpers like your Warwick, and quite different to the P1. Could this be another tweak? It might have been changed because that P1 splined driveshaft has such shoddy welding and surely must have high speed balance challenges. Or maybe mine is different again..... And maybe they want $600 to trap the unsuspecting that just want to buy anything called a layrub. Dave

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Frank

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Chaps:

The last I heard was that Frank Jones had some spares.

I'm not sure that the interweb reaches into deepest Kent yet, we probably need the
man with cleft stick and smoking sandals.
I'll try to call him during the day tomorrow, but if he hears that the full price
is $600 it may be a long conversation.

If there is gold at the end of this rainbow I'll post again tomorrow night.

 

F



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nigel c

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dudes, chill..... 

I have just picked up on this thread man, wow 600 bucks, I can supply, in person for 590!

 

Fj has raped his source of all things Layrub sometime ago. I have a guy local to me that built for me Teflon coated half shafts and also supplied a layrubadub at a reasonable cost.

sayin that it was about 5 years ago.

give me till Monday and I will give him a call. Art might want one too Dave so bring a big carry case over and don't fly ryanair!

on the matter of layrubs. I did a bit of searching a few years ago and found the spec for them. they were widely used in industry, the only automotive application was a Bradford Van (about 20 hp!)

must not exceed 4000 rpm and no more than 2.5% defelction. that seems fine thendisbelief

so they really need to be inline when setting up (if you are rebuilding and can re-aline stuff)

they were used to reduce the "snap" in the trans and reduce noise hahahahahaha, yea right!

i di think about tryin a convertion to "other stuff" but seein as my last one lasted 51 years I decided to let my kids sort it outbiggrin

anywho nagg me laters and I will sourse them if I can (also going to Beaulieu autojumble next week)...and put frank j outa business!



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